The Last of UsandRed Dead Redemption 2are hugely different titles, but one trait that both games share is a popular protagonist. Recently, though,The Last of Usfans andRed Dead Redemption 2players came together to debate who would win if the two were to fight to the death.

This is hardly the first time that gamers have had these discussions. Online, players have pit Nathan Drake against Joel, arguing for and against each Naughty Dog character. Within theRed Dead Redemption 2fan base, gamers are quick to compareJohn Marston and Arthur Morgan, with debates constantly raging about who is the superior outlaw. Now, a popular post on Reddit from Over_Landscape5484 has proposed a Death Battle between Joel and Arthur Morgan, and it did not take long for the conversation to get interesting.

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What makes this a difficult question is the varied skillsets both men have, and many commenters were quick to discuss the advantages and disadvantages on each side. For instance, commenters like Farhannius1 and A1ais both highlighted Arthur’s marksmanship, believing he would win if it came down to a shootout. However, gamers were quick to bring up Joel’s potential advantage in a fist fight, with one comment pointing out how much more dangerous Joel would be ifElliewere threatened by someone like Dutch.

SovereignDark countered the argument about Joel having a clear path to victory in a fist fight, pointing out how Arthur manages to beat someone twice his size in hand-to-hand combat. They also point out how theVan Der Linde gangregularly praises Arthur’s expertise in fist fighting, though SovereignDark does admit that Joel’s stealth capabilities are far better than Joel’s. Still, hotdiggitydooby believes Joel’s “scrappy” nature gives him the “best shot” at winning a fist fight, even if it is not a guaranteed victory.

Ultimately, there are many variables to consider. The softer, less aggressive version of Joel fromThe Last of Us 2would surely have a tough time fighting an Arthur who is in their prime, though this works both ways since Arthur with tuberculosis would surely have no chance against a healthy Joel. Ultimately, most commenters seem to lean toward Arthur winning, though this could be a result of the thread starting in theRed Dead Redemption 2subreddit. Some of the most upvoted comments see players saying they would rather watch the two become friends instead of fight, saying that their lives have been rough enough already.

This post blowing up and getting over 500 comments shows just how popular Arthur andJoelare. Not only are their games regularly held up as some of the best in the entire medium, but these two survivors have clearly captured the hearts of many players.

The Last of Us Part 1launches on September 2 for PS5. A PC version is in development.

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